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10th January, 2019 Posted under Impressive
Happy Holidays! Toddlers could be very active during mealtimes and would rather do other things than eat. On the eighth episode of the Impressive, Janna Lundquist, a Leadership Team Advisor, consults Doctor Kimberley for tips on how to encourage her kids to sit down longer during mealtimes.
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Impressive is a weekly podcast that sheds new light on the world of parenting. Join host, Dr Kimberley O’Brien PhD, as she delves into real-life parenting issues with CEOs, global ex-pats, entrepreneurs, celebrities, travelers and other hand-picked parents.
In an approachable on-air consultation style, she listens to some of the smartest, kindest parents share their latest parenting challenge with their incredible kids. Together they brainstorm solutions and Kimberley offer handy tips and valuable resources to help bring out the best in toddlers, teens and in-betweens. Drawing mostly on two decades of experience as a child psychologist, Kimberley also shares her personal insights as a mother of two and entrepreneur with a passion for problem-solving.
[00:00:08 – 00:00:29]: The Impressive podcast starts with Doctor Kimberley O’Brien introducing herself and the podcast’s mission statement.
Doctor Kimberley: Hello, I’m Doctor Kimberley O’Brien — a child psychologist, entrepreneur, and mom with a passion for problem-solving in family adventures. Join me each week for practical tips and on-air consultations with the smartest, kindest parents and their incredible kids. Find answers faster, do things differently, and take your family further. This is Impressive.
[00:00:30 – 00:00:33]: This episode is sponsored by BriteChild.com. Now, let’s get started.
[00:00:34 – 00:02:07] Doctor O’Brien gives a spiel about the guest of the eighth episode of the Impressive podcast, Janna Lundquist, CEO of a consulting.
Doctor Kimberley: This is episode eight of Impressive, and I’m your host, Doctor Kimberley O’Brien. This week, we’re speaking to a consultant, Janna Lundquist. She is based in Montana. I met her recently at the BizChix Live Conference in L.A., and I met her there previously as well in the year before. Janna is one of those people that just lights up her room. She’s a great communicator. She helps leadership teams to make decisions that drive long-term success. Janna is also a busy mother of two. She has a three-year-old and a five-year-old, and a husband, Tyson. Together, they’re working on a current parenting challenge and that is trying to get the kids to sit at the table for longer than two or three minutes. It tends to happen in the evenings when they come home from, from work and school. There’s a whole lot going on.
And I thought this episode might be interesting for listeners that are preparing for a big Christmas banquet in the next couple of weeks, and this cannot be a time when parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles are all trying to get the kids to sit down at the table at the same time despite there being lots of distractions and a huge variety of food choices.
If you’re interested in the impact of preservatives on toddler’s behavior, you might also like to listen to last week’s episode, episode number seven, with Steph Meades. So, you can do that after you have listened to this one.
So, without further ado, here’s Janna Lundquist on helping toddlers to sit at the table.
[00:02:08 – 00:04:56] Janna Lundquist introduces herself and talks about her career as leadership team advisor.
Janna: Absolutely, Kimberley. It is so lovely to be here; I love hearing your wonderful voice. It was so great to see you again so recently in person.
I am based in Missoula, Montana as you mentioned, and I have found the niche in my consulting practice to be serving as a leadership team adviser and really helping teams create what I call productive teaming, which is about making sure that teams are aligned and on the same page and really heading in the same direction with a singular agenda, rather than sort of all in their own silos doing their own things. A lot of people think that it doesn’t sound very appealing, but it is the, it is the best thing in the world as far as I am concerned, and I absolutely love being able to see the results of the teams that I get to work with.
Doctor Kimberley: I love you’re caption is clarity yields results, and I’m thinking that if everyone’s on the same page, then they’re all working in the same direction and everyone’s crystal clear about what the goals are. Is that how kind of pans out our session?
Janna: That’s exactly how I think of it. You know, it’s funny I started my business after my younger child was born, and I thought of the name of my business and that tagline at a middle of the night nursing session.
Doctor Kimberley: Okay.
Janna: After it yields results really has stood the test of time. And that’s exactly right when we all know what the expectations are and what the goals are. It’s in here for us to endure and do the jewel parts to help achieve that.
Doctor Kimberley: I love it. Organization’s really open to feedback, or do you need to kind of work through resistance or any kind of defensiveness? Or how does it usually pan out?
Janna: Oh, that’s a great question. Of course, it always depends. It depends on the organizational culture and maybe what’s going on at a certain point in time. Oftentimes, I can sense whether there is psychological safety on a team or not. You know, if there’s a lot of fear or a lack of trust. There’s probably more work that needs to be done upfront to get people to let their guards down a little bit, and the more that trust grows, the more people know that they can count on each other and the easier it gets from there.
Doctor Kimberley: So, it’s kind of around building trust and helping people to feel comfortable in their roles within that organization and not threatened.
Janna: Absolutely, and I think the more individuals can understand that a successful team raises everyone up, and it’s not as you’re in some game. And that a colleague can do well and that improves the performance of the entire team , rather than threatening someone else on the team.
[00:04:57 – 00:07:36] Janna reveals what happens on an ordinary day within their growing family.
Doctor Kimberley: Love it. Can we bring that back to now, your family going to make, and do you play the leadership role in your family of four, and can you tell us a little bit more about, yeah, your family, your children, your partner, and then the roles that you play within that dynamic.
Janna: Oh, this is very interesting. I didn’t expect to go here. Absolutely. So, I have a young family. My husband, Tyson, and I have been together since college, and he has an active life as an entrepreneur himself, and we have two children. My daughter, Kenan, turns five tomorrow, and my son, Lucas, just turned three this fall. So, we’ve sort of graduated from the strollers and diapers phase of our lives into more of the preschool enjoyment and opportunities and challenges that go along with that greater independence.
Doctor Kimberley: I can just picture that on thinking lots of prepping maybe lunchboxes and things like that, and drop-offs and pick-ups.
Janna: Lots of drop-ups and pick-ups. A little bit of, they’re taking a hip-hop dance class this fall, which is adorable. Not too many of those outside activities, which I understand, just grow and grow as kids get older, but yes, lots of making sure that all are moving. Parts of our lives are hopefully, if not totally aligned, at least not totally out of order either.
Doctor Kimberley: Absolutely. Absolutely, that sounds awesome. I’m just thinking what’s a day in a life of, you know, your family life look like for you, guys? Say, what time are they awake? And then, mealtimes? Bedtimes?
Janna: Absolutely, I would say, our awake time with our kids lasts from about 6:30 in the morning until maybe 7:15 or 7:30 in the evening. My son is our alarm clock. He has sort of a kid alarm clock, not an alarm clock, but a kid clock in his room that showed visually when it’s okay for him to get out of bed. And as soon as the bunny is awake, which comes out on his alarm clock, he comes down and gets the day started for the rest of us. They actually have breakfast and lunch at the preschool they attend. So, all of that happens there, but then we all… my husband goes to his office downtown and drops the kids off. I work out of an office attached to my home, and we all come back together around 5:30 in the evening for dinner and maybe we can talk about that. And some fun evening activities with one kind or another.
[00:07:37 – 00:09:05] Here, Janna starts to talk about the current challenge that she and her husband, Tyson, have to deal with their kids during mealtimes, especially during dinner time, when the young ones are so active and distracted by other things, which make their mealtime quick.
Doctor Kimberley: That sounds good. So, tell me a little bit more about dinner, and is that your current parenting talent? I’m thinking with those age groups that would be pretty common.
Janna: It is our, it is our current parenting challenge. It’s the time of day I’ve heard people call, you know, right after school, after work, a number of different euphemisms, you know, it’s a hard time of day, people are worn out. We’ve all given our all during whatever day we had over the course of the previous hours, but I find that it’s really critical that we sort of get dinner as quickly as we can once Tyson and the kids walk in to our home. But we’re having a lot of trouble sort of developing norms or guidelines and stick into them around even just sitting for a certain amount of time at the dining room table or having dinner together.
Doctor Kimberley: I can imagine that they’re all quite excited when they come through the door. Is there lots of talking and movement or… can you describe the movement?
Janna: Absolutely. Yes, there’s talking, there’s movement. There’s showing also of artwork that has been done during the day. Maybe I’ve picked up library books, so they have some books that they get to look at. So, yes, there’s a flurry of activity as they come in. Plus, some sort of dishing up of dinner, and filling of glasses, and, you know, a quick setting of the table with the hope of kind of sitting down for a little family meal time.
[00:09:06 – 00:11:02] But Janna adds that if they have mealtimes outside their home, the kids would have the less tendency to be distracted thus having more time with their parents and even carry on a conversation. It really is different when the four of them are at home.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes, and then on a good day, how does it pan out?
Janna: Well, on a good day, it’s interesting. I took on my own… my husband was out of town this weekend. On my own, I took the kids out to a lovely restaurant in our town for brunch. And I guess when it’s good day, which coincidentally or not coincidentally is outside of our home and outside of our normal routine, they can sit and carry on conversation, and may give you some coloring or a little bit of playing at the table for an hour and 15 minutes, or even an hour and a half, and they’re terrific.
Doctor Kimberley: Wow. Great.
Janna: I think they understand the expectations of a more grown-up or less familiar setting like that. But a more typical day in our household looks more like by the time, you know, one of the parents is up kind of getting the last of the table set, and our kids look at what we prepared or either into it or rejecting of it. There’s a lot of negotiations about how many bites to eat, and then we never manage to keep them seated at the table for very long. So, the time in which all four of us are all sitting down looking at each other is maybe sometimes five or seven minutes.
Doctor Kimberley: Okay, it’s sort of bad personal best like to work from.
Janna: Well, I thought what I found very successful on my own, but I appreciate you normalizing it a little bit.
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah, I’m thinking like a three-year-old. They’ve got a lot of energy and, you know, so many interesting things to look at when you first come through the door like, there’s library books maybe and, yeah, after so much movement and exploring at school, I think seven minutes is a pretty good start.
Doctor Kimberley: But at the restaurants, sometimes they can sit and do coloring for like an hour and 20 minutes.
[00:12:23 – 00:13:30] Doctor O’Brien promotes Therapeutic Resources, the website that has tools that can help you build your child’s personality.
Doctor Kimberley: Hey, have you heard of therapeutic resources? They are the sorts of things that child psychologists use to encourage kids to express themselves. And they’re also available to parents and teachers via the therapeuticresources.com.au website. You can find out more about children’s books that convey stories and strategies around, making and keeping friends as well as managing bullies, winning and losing, turn-taking a whole bunch of different things that are helpful when you are helping your young people overcome issues and you don’t want to do it directly. You might want to use a bedtime story to help convey that issue and to give him strategies on how to manage it. You’ll also find some therapeutic cards, which are also helpful when it comes to talking about feelings and how to express emotions. Go to find out more, go to therapeuticresources.com, and you can check out the Quirky Kid pack. It’s a complete kit featuring all of Quirky Kid’s resources, which we’ve published ourselves. So, take a look at therapeuticresources.com.au.
[00:13:31 – 00:14:20] Doctor Kimberley suggests a tool that can be used during mealtimes, which is the visual timer found in Therapeutic Resources.
Doctor Kimberley: Have you heard of timetimer.com?
Doctor Kimberley: They use this quite a lot in preschool setting, so it’s just like a big red block of time that you can move with your finger, you know, rounder, circular, like clock set of style. If it’s five minutes to go, it’s just like a small slither of red that you can see. If you’ve got half an hour, it’s a bigger block. And so, you can watch the red getting smaller and smaller until it’s… ting! when you run out of time. So, that’s one visual timer at timetimer.com.
Janna: That sounds perfect.
Doctor Kimberley: Or otherwise, you can use it like a big hourglass or a timer—
Doctor Kimberley: –something that shows that the sand dropping, so the kids are like, knowing. You could even kind of mark the timer, so you can get to this point and there’s little pin mark kind of that somewhere going to…
Janna: Right, right. Those are beautiful ideas.
Doctor Kimberley: It’s quite visual, isn’t it?
Janna: It is visual and that’s so helpful.
[00:14:21 – 00:14:59] Janna introduces her five-year-old daughter, Kenan, and her attitude during mealtimes.
Doctor Kimberley: Engaging a three-year-old and making it fun. And the five-year-old, tell me more about what she does. Is she just all talk and…well, what’s her behavior like when she…
Janna: You know, it really depends on the day, and it depends a little bit on the food that we’re serving. She is a very focused eater if she’s on board with the menu, if she not, she might be quick to eat a little something, and then sort of dart of to another activity, and I’m sort of like, “Kenan, Kenan, come back. It’s time for dinner.” And with, you know, gradually lost patience in those requests.
[00:15:00 – 00:17:05] Doctor O’Brien suggests another tool that can be used during mealtimes, and that is to play musical chairs.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes, I’m just thinking again making it fun like if when you’re not at the table, if you’re playing a game of like musical chairs. You know how you put all the chairs back-to-back in the center of the room, and then put the—
Doctor Kimberley: –music on. So, there’s four people in the family, so you’re just having three chairs and working your way around, and then when the music stops, you’re going to sit on a chair, and you know how the kids like, grab those chair and hold themselves on because they really want the chair?
Doctor Kimberley: I feel like we could maybe let Kenan know that during dinner, or it’s kind of like a game of musical chairs where you’re going to be stuck to that chair like that’s the aim of the game.
Doctor Kimberley: You can’t slip out or keep your chair up. You got to own that chair. And if you do, I think it’s good to have a reward, so she’s thinking, I just want to slip out and go and like what would she be looking to do whatsoever?
Janna: Oh, she would want to go do a puzzle, or color, or find a toy to play with—any of those things.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes. So, now I’m thinking, you know, at a restaurant, where they’re able to sit for over an hour—
Doctor Kimberley: –I wonder what would it look like to have coloring and paper and things at the table, or whether that would be too distracting, and then forget to eat like at home. What do you think?
Janna: Well, they eat at the restaurant. The food’s probably also a little better than what we have on a Tuesday night, right? It’s, it’s worth a shot. I think I would probably look to your cravings about that, too, because, you know, what I’m trying to nurture is healthy eating habits and sort of connectedness with each other, you know, emotionally and socially and all those sorts of things. And I’m willing to experiment with other tools or distractions or whatever our son’s were kind of getting towards those goals.
Doctor Kimberley: I love it. So, use it kind of as a motivator, so if you can’t sit on your seat for the first two minutes, then yes, you can pull out that little box of pencils and coloring paper.
Doctor Kimberley: So, kind of just maybe to get them through the last, you know, five minutes or something like that, so you get two minutes of good focus without any props.
Doctor Kimberley: And then, five minutes of getting over to the finish line, which is like the seven-minute mark or the nine-minute mark.
Doctor Kimberley: Problem solved!
[00:17:06 – 00:21:07] Doctor O’Brien also shares that a mealtime could be when a negotiation takes place, which ‘devalues’ the meal. In order to avoid this kind of situation, Janna should affirm their kids that the food served is made with love.
Janna: And then, this is a little different question than what we, a little kind of additional question. Do you have any guidance about how much we should be trying to control? How much they eat of a certain meal? Or are there ways to be, again, healthy about that? We’re not trying to just make them eat to eat.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes.
Janna: And obviously, they play a role in this setting. What they enjoy and what they’re hungry for and that sort of thing. Do you have any good rule for them about that?
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah, I think now we’re negotiating, so it’s not like one more bite, and then you can leave the table, or one more bite, and then you can have dessert. If there’s too much negotiating that it sort of gives them too much power and it’s like, this kind of devalues the meal, so I’m kind of thinking more of like, “Oh, I made that today. I put a lot of love into that like a roll, there’s, you know, little meatballs and—
Janna: Yeah, yeah.
Doctor Kimberley: I had the music on while I was rolling them. That kind of like, “I really enjoyed making that meal for you,” and you guys said, “I really could enjoy it,” and, you know, that kind of it’s not so much about what you’ve created, just more of the intention behind it. So, they’re like, “Mom’s made something special, and she’s really proud of it.” So, yeah.
Janna: Sure, it’s not about the calories that’s really the transaction; it’s more about the experience and the intention of yourself.
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah. Yeah, “it’s important to mom and she’s put the time in,” and so to set up because you’ve already got that love and respect from them in your relationship, so you can be quite influential without needing to go through the, you know, nutritional facts and figures and things like that.
Janna: That never goes very well, anyway. So, I’m glad that you’re giving me permission just like that.
Doctor Kimberley: Okay, that sounds good. And also, small portion sizes, so again you can have success.
Doctor Kimberley: It’s like you’ve eaten a lot, or you’ve gone three quarters trying not to do too much dividing of the plate. You know, let them have control of the utensils, or be more comfortable using his fingers and that’s a way, you know, the meal’s designed to be eaten with the fingers. Then, yeah, let them do it their way, rather than reaching across and correcting him or anything quite that. So, the atmosphere should just be as pretty light and playful.
Doctor Kimberley: And I have found that sometimes, kids don’t want to come to the table like often when they’re older than, you know, sort of between eight and 10 years. Sometimes, they’re just feeling a bit anxious before mealtimes because that’s when, you know, Dad’s just come home from work, or Mom’s really particular about how things are supposed to be. So, you try not to have a big behavioral focus, more about so good to spend time with you guys and we’ll put the music on, we’ve got the candles. This is going to be…
Janna: This is very much on for the evening together.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes, yes.
Janna: That’s brilliant.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes. So, it’s kind a little bit of a change, I guess. But you can also have a family meeting around that to say, “I just want mealtimes to be more fun. What about you, guys? What do you think we could do to make it more fun?”
Janna: Yeah, and they’re both [old] enough to have some ideas, right? And there’ll probably be more by then if, if we’re incorporating their ideas under the process.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes, yes. Maybe there could be little games, you know, like, you know, the girl likes… sorry, I can’t say her name.
Janna: It’s Kenan.
Doctor Kimberley: It starts with K?
Doctor Kimberley: As she likes puzzles and things. So, if they can stay on the table for that period of time, you can sort of getting right out to washing out, then job’s straight after dinner. It could be like, “It’s puzzle time.” Now, it’s your little boy’s choice, time to make the, you know, after-dinner game.
Janna: Yeah, absolutely.
Doctor Kimberley: It could be…
Janna: Dinosaurs this month. It’s what we would be doing with him.
Doctor Kimberley: Mm-hmm. Sounds good.
Janna: Yeah. So, there’s a little more instinct gratification, rather than dinner. And then, we clean up, and then we’ll give you the attention that you’re looking for, kind of give them attention through the dinner, and then have kind of to pay off of a fun activity right after our allotted time has been completed.
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah, it sounds good.
Janna: Oh, I can’t wait to share this with my husband. We’re going to be incorporating your ideas ASAP, Kimberley.
Doctor Kimberley: Oh, that sounds good. Let me know how it goes.
Janna: I will. Thank you so much.
[00:21:08 – 00:27:40] From here towards the end of the episode, Janna tells how it would be for the kids if there are other people aside their parents joining them on mealtimes. She also talks about how their kids transitioned from using high chairs to regular adult chairs.
Doctor Kimberley: No problem. So, let’s wrap it up. Thanks so much for asking. It’s such a good opportunity; I just love consulting to high, achieving CEOs and having the opportunity to hear how well you’re doing with work, and then one tiny thing you’d like to fix at home that just, it fills me with gratitude because I love brainstorming and making things better because in every family, it’s the same situation. There’s always a new challenge to tackle.
Janna: Absolutely. Well, and I love, I love being able to ask those experts like you, Kimberley.
Doctor Kimberley: And, Janna, how will they go when there’s more than just your immediate family at the table? Does that lead to more challenges? I’m just thinking of when, how kids with that same age sometimes, a grandparent would, you know, jump in and say, “Hey, sit down.” Would that change the down of the tone of the…
Janna: Is it that interesting that they’re really interesting question. Well, actually, I have a pretty small group. There’s two grandparents will be at the Thanksgiving table in addition to us, so it will be a relatively small group of six. But it can, it can depend on who’s at the table. In this case, my mom and her partner are extremely supportive. And so, once I clue them into some of the ideas that we’ll be incorporating, they’ll be completely on board in annoyment and supportive of trying to nurture some of these good skills for them.
Doctor Kimberley: Sounds good. I had also, had a thought about the, you know, how they have their breakfast and lunch at school.
Doctor Kimberley: I wonder have you ever observed the way they do their mealtimes and other things from that that you could take home?
Janna: That’s a good idea. I’ve, you know, I’ve observed breakfast sometimes because they’re sort of serving breakfast sometimes as the kids arrive in the morning. I haven’t been there around lunch time, but I could definitely post that question to their lead teacher to say, you know, “Are there sort of rituals or other ways that you do things that we might incorporate at home?”
Doctor Kimberley: I remember when our son, Benjie, was about three years old, at their preschool, they would seat the kids in little groups of maybe four or five on a mat, and then the teacher would sit on a chair in front of them with like, a tray of finger food, and then you should use tongs to pass it to each child as they raise their hands, so that was quite, quite structured, and the kids were like, puppy dogs, you know, just kind of sitting and focused and ready to get the next snack.
Janna: Waiting for the tongs to come their way.
Doctor Kimberley: Exactly, and so different to a standard family mealtime. So, we would do the same as you guys would sit around the table and pull the options out, and after the high chairs, so we could use the high chairs, I don’t know whether you did that with your little guys.
Janna: We did, yes, and those were brilliant of course because they were distracting, right?
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah, and then, there’s different parenting schools of four around just prepping kids down, you know, whether it’s respectful or not, even with car seats to have restrains and like, that’s, that is obviously everywhere. I’m feeling like we need to put safety first. And sometimes when they’re little and they’re trying to crawl out of their own high chairs, I feel like straps are important.
[00:24:17 – 00:24:47] Doctor Kimberley asks of listeners that they share this and other episodes of the Impressive podcast.
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Doctor Kimberley: When you said that you weren’t using high chairs at this point, is it because they’re too big for high chairs, or how did you transition from high chairs to chairs, and when did that happen?
Janna: You know, we kept, my dad and I are in a high chair for a long time. My son, he just got to a point probably before he turned two, or he just refused to sit in it anymore in a work where you got kicking. I’m kicking like a wrestling match to get him into the chair, or into the tray. And so, we just kind of gave in more or less at that point and let him sit at the table in a, in a regular sort of adult chair with the rest of us.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes. Is he on some sort of a booster, so he’s like high enough to see what’s happening at the table? Or does it feel like you have to reach for him?
Janna: You know, he probably, mostly, he sometimes sits on his knees to have a little bit of extra boost, and he can sort of sit on his bottom as well, I think, and have enough height to, you know, spoon from his bowl or that sort of thing.
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah, sounds good.
Janna: You said, you suggest a booster for someone his age.
Doctor Kimberley: Maybe it could be more comfortable like, I’m thinking—
Doctor Kimberley: –you’re on your knees. I’m just thinking of what your chairs might be made of like, if it’s wooden chairs, I’d be more like, to wiggle around. But, and then, I’m thinking of like, one of those booster seats that don’t require any straps or anything, but they’re quite comfy, you know.
Doctor Kimberley: So, they have like, a cushion on top, maybe he’d feel like, even being slightly higher. It’s like, “Woah, look at you,” you know, kind of a little bit more…
Janna: Yeah, kind of a big kid sort of experience.
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah, which is, I think what he’s wanting, you know, when you don’t want to be in the high chair anymore and he’s like—
Doctor Kimberley: –big kid like my sister.
Doctor Kimberley: So now, he’s got like a special throne. It’s like, okay–
Doctor Kimberley: –maybe that would just make you feel a bit more at present at the table, or something like that makes parenting…
Janna: Yeah. No, that’s the perfect idea.
Doctor Kimberley: Yeah, let’s see how it goes.
Janna: I love it.
Doctor Kimberley: Good. I love, love talking to you, and I feel like I need to go and wrap up. It’s 7:30 in the morning here in Australia, so we need to get our breakfast started.
Janna: Starting your day, absolutely.
Doctor Kimberley: Yes.
Janna: Well, thank you for your time and all of your wonderful insights and suggestions. I can’t wait to follow-up with you to let you know how they’re going.
Doctor Kimberley: Thank you so much to Janna, again, for being part of this on-air consultation. And if you’d like to be part of an on-air consultation, you can. You just need to e-mail email@example.com. That’s firstname.lastname@example.org, and let them know you’d love to be part of an on-air consultation. Our reception will send you a Zoom link, and we can talk in a time zone that suits us both, so it can be anywhere around the world. I’m happy to talk to you about your current parenting challenge. I’m Doctor Kimberley O’Brien, and this was Impressive.